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trap out little at a time
« on: February 27, 2016, 02:20:35 pm »






mickie an I got a tree we are going to take 1 my 2 boxes out at a time an let get back up then get some more
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Re: trap out little at a time
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2016, 03:59:57 pm »
Ya, that black rubber mat is ,surgeons mats at the operation table,so its safe and flexible enough ,that's the best we could think of, for that type entrance in that tree,what do ya think iddee,home owner didn't want us to get all the bees,so we're hoping we can get 1 box then remove cone, the problem is we're not sure how many bee's are in the tree,it's been there for 6 to 7 yrs. ,and their small bee's, I know you will probably move this to trap outs post, but would like any suggestions, this tree is about a mile from Carthage N.C., and we'll install hole cover,and leave open, but when do we install cone as far as trying to keep bees in the tree(owner's request) do we need to do this before they swarm, not knowing when that will be, and being 40 miles from here, we have to take home owners word about what's happening ? ?
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Re: trap out little at a time
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2016, 04:13:09 pm »
That might be one of iddee swarms. Give him an apple pie and he might come and get it. If that was my tree I would leave it alone. This hive lasted 7 years. It would be a dirty shame to remove it.
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Re: trap out little at a time
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2016, 04:19:36 pm »
You're on you own there. I've never tried it.


Now for an UN-educated guess.

You will get a bunch of foragers and they will boost your hive up nicely. You will watch the tree build back up nicely and think, ""AHH, SUCCESS"" What you won't see is the depletion of stores during the main honey flow, when they should be increasing. The mass of new foragers will have nothing to bring in. The flow will be over. Instead, they will just eat.
All will be fine until February, when they all stick their heads in cells and die of starvation.
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Re: trap out little at a time
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2016, 04:43:26 pm »
What is the reason for going after these bees? The genetics? You will not get them from the queen as the brood you introduce to raise queen from will come from one of your hives. You could get genetics from the mating of queen from the drones from this colony, but you can achieve the same results by bringing some nucs and setting them up to mate with the drones. If you are after the queen for her part of the genetics You would be better off setting up swarm traps and catching the mated queen when she swarms or even cast swarms with virgin queens.
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Re: trap out little at a time
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2016, 04:45:00 pm »
@iddee with out a total trapout don't ,even try ? ?
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Re: trap out little at a time
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2016, 05:21:03 pm »
Naw, try it and post about it. Find out what happens.
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Re: trap out little at a time
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2016, 07:01:08 pm »
Apis,
We understand now, that forage bees,will not have the capability to nurse open brood (that we give them from our hives) but how does a total trapout work ? ? ,if we wait for swarm then put on cone will we not catch supercedur queen after mating flight, (not what home owners want) but oh well
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Re: trap out little at a time
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2016, 08:04:18 pm »
You understand wrong. Foragers will regress to whatever stage is required for the hive. The royal jelly they make may not be the quality of a young bee, but it will work.
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Re: trap out little at a time
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2016, 08:49:51 pm »
What Iddee said.
In nature when bees swarm and because they are in such a confined area most times.
The bees in the crowded bee tree (or any confined hive) will build multiple cells for raising a new queen Because the bees are protecting the queen cells and will not let the old queen tear them down. she swarms and takes close to 1/2 the bees with her. Now you would think that with 1/2 the population gone the swarming would be over. In the time between the prime swarm leaves and the virgins start to emerge is around 5 days. The population in the hive explodes due to the emergence of all the brood that was laid by the old queen. Because of this the bees will protect more than just one of the emerging queens. Because these are virgin queens that are emerging as swarms, the swarms tend to be smaller and the hive will continue to emerge brood for another week so the crowed confined hive doesn't see any population relief till a couple of weeks after the prime swarm left. This is why you can collect multiple swarms from a confined colony. Once the bees decide to allow the virgin queens to fight it out and tear any remaining cells down that queen will mate and return to the colony to be its new monarch.
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Re: trap out little at a time
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2016, 02:02:28 pm »
The outflux of foragers will be substantial the first two days after introducing the cone.  If you add a frame of wet brood at that time, and feed, they will make their own queen.  You will need to caulk carefully around that rubber mat.  Clear caulk is less unsightly than white, because you can't get it all when you leave for good.  Send me your email and I'll send you Cleo (Wimpy) Hogan's paper on trap outs, it is  useful.
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