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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2014, 09:33:16 am »
Not yet, I was expecting it at the end of last week. They said shipping could take 10 days so I guess I'm still in the ball park. I noticed when it showed up on my credit card bill it was $20 more than I thought, I'm betting the drop in the Canadian dollar was responsible.
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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2014, 10:52:23 pm »
Quote from: apisbees on December 06, 2013, 02:56:04 pm
I have used the molding cutter in the past but I place a 6" saw blade against the 3 wing cutter. it gives a nicer cut to the top of the hand holes and slows  controls the speed the box drops down on the table and blade.

I just bought one of these mold cutters with the 3 blades to cut hand holds.

Apis, what are you meaning by placing a 6 inch saw blade against the cutter?
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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2014, 07:00:18 am »
Good question Yankee11.
My cutter just arrived a couple of days ago. I got the one like DLMKA in post # 15.
The one thing you might have to watch is the max limit of your arbor length.
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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2014, 08:55:48 am »
Yea, I'm guessing Apis uses spacers on the outside of the cutter then the saw blade. I was thinking the arbor would need to be long
enough.

Hey Perry, I am looking at table saws. Mine is old and cheap. I noticed to have the Dewalt. How do you like it and can you put a 3/4 dado
stack on it?
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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2014, 08:59:37 am »
I love mine. Two good friends of mine, both self employed contractors have them. The German cabinet maker uses his for on-site work. The big selling feature is the rack and pinion fence, can't be beat.
7/8" dado stack isn't a problem. When I make my rabbets and frame rest cuts though, my German friend showed me how to do it properly, with the wood on it's edge rather than laying flat. Way less tear out that way.
Also you don't need to stack near as many blades on the saw that way.
This pic is using his shop saw.

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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2014, 10:01:37 am »
Oh Man, I never thought of that. So all you have to do raise and lower the blade to go from sides to frame rails. Don't even have to move
the fence do you? Looks like cut all the sides, lower blade then cut all the frame rests?That plus
the mold cutter will make making boxes a breeze.

I can use my current table saw since it would require a smaller dado stack. I am still gonna get the Dewalt though. Already have my heart set on it.
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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2014, 10:12:15 am »
I wasn't thinking of cutting them that way either at first, I was going to lay them flat. Hans told me to do it this way and I immediately picked up on why. He also made a quick push block so that it holds the wood against the fence, and prevents any tear out as your box end leaves the blades.
You're right about the ends and frame rests, just lower the blade, no adjustment to the fence.  ;)
I figure if you want to make a million, watch a millionaire (that hasn't worked for me so far though).  :laugh:
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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2014, 10:28:40 am »
Well, I only have 7 more boxes to put together and I'm done for the year (I hope).
Total:
55 deeps
56 mediums
10 shallows
Now come the handholds. I got my cutters and mounted them in my table saw. The throat plate for the dado blades work, but man there is almost no clearance on the one side. Not sure if I should use it or not given the clearance. I will lay my plywood jig on top of the saw anyway so I don't know if it's necessary.
Because of the beveled side of the blade I will have to shift my "fence" from the right side to the left side of the cutter. This will be an interesting new attempt at getting those finished looking hand holds. I'm also betting that this thing will howl like the dickens when it's fired up, and even louder when it hits wood!  :o




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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2014, 01:51:31 pm »
I bet its not that bad as long as the blades are sharp. My planer was so loud it rattled your brain even with earphones and ear plugs in.. until I replaced the blades on it.. Instant transformation from an impossible howl and trrible struggle to get the boards through, to a very reasonable hum and the boards get pulled through on their own.

   Excited to see how this goes. How well it works, how long the blades last etc.. So keep posting PerryMeister!
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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2014, 08:18:37 am »
Quote from: Perry on January 21, 2014, 08:40:24 am
Quote from: apisbees on December 06, 2013, 02:56:04 pm
I have used the molding cutter in the past but I place a 6" saw blade against the 3 wing cutter. it gives a nicer cut to the top of the hand holes and slows  controls the speed the box drops down on the table and blade.
How would you do that Apis, would you use spacers to keep the saw blade off the cutters?
Sorry just getting caught up on reading posts. with your cuter it would only require it looks like 1/8" of shims. Just enough so the blade sits against the 3 cutters. arbors on a table saw are generally long enough to accept stacked blades form a dado blade setup.
If using a cutter the outside blade stabilization washer dose not need to be used if the arbor is to short. the cutter body is stiff enough that it will not flex or warp.
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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2014, 04:41:56 pm »
Thanks Robo!
   I made a jig as Robo mentioned some time back to angle the router in with a dovetail router bit.  I really like the results..  From here forward this is how I will do it.  No more ledge for water to sit in.

  The Jig.
   


   Rather than make up two jigs, I made blocks to drop in place to do the short side of the box. Exceptionally pleased with the results. No more picking a box up upside down either!





   So I owe Robo a beer if we ever meet.
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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2014, 02:58:35 pm »
Well, did a test with the new cutter and hand hold jig and it worked better than expected. I did 10 shallows and am pleased with the results.
Thanks to Robo for the idea, and to DLMKA for the pics of the cutter I eventually decided on. I owe you both a beer!  :D




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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2014, 05:08:29 pm »
Those look good Perry!!  I like them!
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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2014, 04:32:30 pm »
Those cutters are worth every penny in my opinion if you're making more than a few boxes.

Did you make the entire cut in one pass or did you do a rough and finish cut? I started out making two passes but lately have just been making one cut.
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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2014, 07:17:54 pm »
One pass, but nice and slow. I had to make a new zero clearance throat plywood jig, the old one was longer and resulted in some tear-out at the end because there was no support on the end of the cut. I wonder how long the knives stay sharp? Glad I bought 2 sets.  ;D
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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2014, 09:22:31 am »
If you have a machine shop close have them put the knives on a surface grinder or blanchard grinder and just take a few thousands off to bring the edge back. Clean up with a honing stone.
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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2015, 11:10:17 pm »
Quote from: Robo on December 08, 2013, 09:45:48 am

They look very nice.   With a little bit more elaborate jig (similar to the skill saw jig),  you can get a tapered handle using a router.


    Due to Rob's suggestion I did get a tapered bit, and modified my Jig. I have been using it for some time now, but JUST did a video, so I figured I would update.

   

   And in case you are wondering, yes, that is a cheap 6 dollar Menards bit.

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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2015, 11:46:15 pm »
This was a great thread with lots of cool ideas for making handholds. :eusa_clap:

Good video LazyB showing how you achieved your taper handholds with a jig and router.  I kind of had a vision in my mind but wasn’t quite sure exactly how the beeks were doing it until I saw your video.  The only problem with the video is your puppy stole the show.  ;D

I use cleats because I always figured it was simpler and less stress on my fingers, but seeing how easy it would be to make handholds, maybe I’ll change my ways.  Wait a minute, I’m a bee keeper.  :D
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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2015, 09:37:38 am »
Great video! Watching it done is worth it's weight in gold, especially for someone like me.
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Re: DIY Hand Holds
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2015, 12:54:14 am »
Just bought a molding cutter as well... I'll let you know how it turns out! :yes:
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