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Offline Lastfling

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Hooooeeee the girls were ornery....
« on: July 28, 2017, 04:50:02 pm »
Went to inspect my hives yesterday evening and things began well.  This is a first year hive with two deeps and a medium super.  I had added the super about a month ago without an excluder hoping the girls would build out the foundation.  I had originally added the super without an excluder, but after reading that, that wasn't such a good idea, I removed it a couple weeks ago.  Once reason for inspection was to see what if any progress was being made.

Smoked the girls and removed the telescoping cover.  No problem.  Still had the miller feeder on, it was empty, but the bees had run a lot of SHB up into it, so I spent several minutes squishing beetles.  Simple pleasures.. right.   The medium super had foundation being built out and even some capped honey (sugar water).  Again, No problem.  nobody terribly excited. 

I removed the super and set it on the cover and proceeded to remove the upper deep in order to begin my inspection on the bottom.  This is where things started to get interesting.  The bottom deep was predominately pollen and/or capped-open nectar.  No brood at all, and no eggs or uncapped that I could discern.  By the time I had gone thru the 10 frames I had about 15/20 girls in my face, but no bumping, etc.

As I bent down to pick up the second deep to place it back, I must have squished a bee between my jacket and pants as I felt the sting thru my jeans.  This is where life took a turn for the worse.  As I began inspection of the second deep, I had more and more bees in my face.  Usually they'll bump my hands, but not this time, other than crawling around some they were left relatively alone, but I was careful not to get any between my hand/fingers and the hive tool.  (That's usually when I get stung).  I found a nice brood pattern in the 2nd deep on 1/2 of the frames with the remainder either capped honey and/or empty cells.  There may have been eggs but I was not able to see them, and am the worlds worse at doing so.  Same for the queen.  I don't think I've seen her since installation.  By the time I got the deep put back together, there were several hundred bees in my face and I'd been stung several times thru my jeans.

Not a pleasurable experience, but once you tear the hive apart, what's to do but put it back together regardless of how much the girls are resenting the intrusion.  I normally have a pair of shorts under the bib overalls, but not this time and I had about 3 stings on each leg penetrate the jeans.  When I got back to the house, I realized things could have been much worse as there were approximately 30 stingers in each leg of my bibs.  That first pinched one must have set them off and it's possible I pinched others as I was putting things back together.  Makes me glad I dress for the girls, as I can only imagine the hurt. 

Smoke was used judiciously btw.  Once they got in a dither though, it had about the same effect as spitting in the wind. 

Now to my real question.  With the bottom deep being predominately stores and all brood in the upper, is this a proper situation, or should consideration be taken to swapping the deeps, moving the stores to top. 

Thanks all!!

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Re: Hooooeeee the girls were ornery....
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2017, 07:29:56 pm »
LF,  I'm a first year beekeeper myself, and my experience (on one of my hives) is exactly the opposite.  I have a honey super on that is very close to being ready to pull.  No queen excluder since I'm not doing comb honey (using plastic foundation).  The top deep on this particular hive is almost exclusively honey and pollen.  I ended up taking three frames out a couple weeks ago because I was concerned the hive was getting honey bound.  May or may not have been, but being new, it was a guess that I took.  We'll see if it works out.  Put 3 new frames in the top deep and 10 days later the girls have built out the comb pretty nicely.  Still no eggs in the top deep.  The brood is all in the bottom deep, and looks like a good pattern to me.  I'm interested in other posts on this topic.  PappyRick 

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Re: Hooooeeee the girls were ornery....
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2017, 06:04:49 am »


.  As I bent down to pick up the second deep to place it back, I must have squished a bee between my jacket and pants as I felt the sting thru my jeans.   I'd been stung several times thru my jeans.

  When I got back to the house, I realized things could have been much worse as there were approximately 30 stingers in each leg of my bibs.   

Smoke was used judiciously btw.  Once they got in a dither though, it had about the same effect as spitting in the wind. 

Now to my real question.  With the bottom deep being predominately stores and all brood in the upper, is this a proper situation, or should consideration be taken to swapping the deeps, moving the stores to top. 

Thanks all!!
Lastfling, I don't know your environment there, but it is possible you are in a dearth.  Being idle and no nectar flow will bring on some nastiness.  Getting one sting can set off alarm pheromones and would explain why the stings were in the lower part of your body.
At this time of the year, robbing can be fierce sparking defensive behavior.  I would limit my time in the hive.  Put in beetle traps quickly.  Do mite control efforts quickly.  Close up the hive before robbing can begin. 
As for reversing the deeps, I will let others comment in depth on that.  Personally, I don't think I would do so this time of year.  Going into winter you will want plenty of stores above them.
Lastly, Lastfling, don't spit into the wind.  You have a veil on.  It could get messy!  :laugh:

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Re: Hooooeeee the girls were ornery....
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2017, 01:22:31 pm »
Mine have been quite fussy the last several weeks. Haven't even bothered to check on them!

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Re: Hooooeeee the girls were ornery....
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2017, 03:20:17 pm »
Mine have been quite fussy the last several weeks. Haven't even bothered to check on them!

- K

I can understand why, after my experience.  I still have a long lang hive I need to get into. 

Robber screens were installed several weeks back on both hives, so I don't think robbing was the reason.  It may have been the time of day (late afternoon / early evening) and the approaching weather.  Sun was shining when I started but had clouded up by the time everything was closed up.


Lastly, Lastfling, don't spit into the wind.  You have a veil on.  It could get messy!  :laugh:

No doubt.   :D


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Re: Hooooeeee the girls were ornery....
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2017, 04:15:49 pm »
Surprised to learn that they can sting through jeans...they always get me on the hands.

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Re: Hooooeeee the girls were ornery....
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2017, 07:29:21 am »
Surprised to learn that they can sting through jeans...they always get me on the hands.

It surprised me too, as my hands are also the usual target.  Not this time though, and they went at it with a vengeance.