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Aborted Swarm
« on: May 07, 2023, 05:20:13 pm »
Yesterday my mom called me outside because one of my hives was swarming.  The bees were still in the air when I got there, and something was clearly off.  Instead of being a tight cloud of bees, there were bees EVERYWHERE, they were over the garage, in the garden, on the property next to us, and some really high up in the tree tops.  They couldn't seem to figure out where to go and for about 15 minutes they all just kind of flew around back and forth, and then they started returning to the landing board of their hive, where they started fanning and calling the rest of the bees back too.  In another 15-20 minutes, they had all just gone back in the hive. 

That same morning, this hive had a lot of workers fanning out in front of the hive, so I thought they had a queen out mating.  I waited and watched for a while, hoping to see her return, but I didn't see her and eventually the fanning stopped.  There was a small cluster of bees hanging under the stand, which I broke up, looking for a queen, but she wasn't in there either. 

What do you think was going on with all this?
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Re: Aborted Swarm
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2023, 10:39:32 pm »
Are there queen cells in the hive?
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Re: Aborted Swarm
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2023, 11:10:14 pm »
Are there queen cells in the hive?
There was one, maybe two, when I checked on Friday.  (The one was so small I'm not sure it was really a QC.)  I also found 2 hatched QCs.  This hive swarmed on Thursday, I'm pretty sure.   
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Re: Aborted Swarm
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2023, 11:05:02 am »
It's my understanding that a colony may make several dry runs before actually swarming.  I have seen video, from inside the hive, that showed what happens inside the colony pre-swarm.  The video included several attempts just as you described 15th.   During a swarming incident, a few workers begin by going around and getting everyone all excited.  The noise level builds, workers begin to exit the hive, and the frenzy builds.  What they don't understand yet is my some of those workers remain with the parent colony even though they were all excited a few minutes before.  Certainly nurse bees would not leave the brood nest.  Foragers must understand the need to remain and provide food for that parent colony.
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Re: Aborted Swarm
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2023, 12:27:35 am »
Too bad you didn't get the swarm!  It happens....  I have talked with a lot of people who were very disheartened that their hive swarmed. I like to laugh and pat them on the back. With all the problems we and the bees are dealing with? If your bees SWARM, then my friend, YOU are doing something right!   The problem with bees, is that they are all female, so they have a mind of their own, and they make their own decisions. Regardless of whether YOU have time to check on them or not...   So inconsiderate!!!     :laugh:
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Re: Aborted Swarm
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2023, 10:09:47 am »
The problem with bees, is that they are all female, so they have a mind of their own, and they make their own decisions. Regardless of whether YOU have time to check on them or not...   So inconsiderate!!!     :laugh:
:D Right . . . because men ALWAYS check with their women before making questionable decisions.  :P 

Just to follow up on this hive, I inspected them over the weekend and found no brood and no queen.  All I found was one capped queen cell, which I had seen in my previous inspection, far too long for a QC to not have hatched, so I opened it up.  At first I thought it was empty, but upon closer inspection, there was a small dead brown larva in the cell.  Answers some of the questions, but not all of them.  I reduced the hive down to 3 boxes, and put that extra queen I have right now on top of them using the Snelgrove board.  I'll combine them next week.
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Re: Aborted Swarm
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2023, 08:56:29 am »


  All I found was one capped queen cell, which I had seen in my previous inspection, far too long for a QC to not have hatched, so I opened it up.  At first I thought it was empty, but upon closer inspection, there was a small dead brown larva in the cell. 

I am curious about the dead larvae in the queen cell.  Is it possible it was Black Queen Cell Virus?  It's unlikely, but still possible I think. 
https://beekeepclub.com/black-queen-cell-virus/
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Re: Aborted Swarm
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2023, 10:43:06 am »
I am curious about the dead larvae in the queen cell.  Is it possible it was Black Queen Cell Virus?  It's unlikely, but still possible I think. 
https://beekeepclub.com/black-queen-cell-virus/
I guess it's possible.  The queen cell itself, the wax, wasn't black or oily or anything abnormal.  The larvae was very tiny, I'm surprised the cell was capped, although I suppose the larva could have shriveled up significantly after it died.     
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Re: Aborted Swarm
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2023, 08:42:34 am »
Right . . . because men ALWAYS check with their women before making questionable decisions.

  HEY! Perspective MATTERS on weather a decision is questionable or not!  O:-)    Let us know how the new queen goes!
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