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Catchup in the apiary
« on: May 11, 2023, 07:57:15 pm »
Since 2020 my pond business has been so busy it's been tough to do more for the bees than shoot some OAV in the hives in the later summer and another dose in December (or when I quit seeing brood)
Had a bunch of dead bees in front of the swarm hive about a month ago, took a day off to have a look and found they were starving young bees because the old queen stuffed 2 deeps and a medium full of brood then took off to mate, I don't think a swarm left - maybe the old queen failed to get off the ground and they all went home.

I divided the bees into 6 boxes - stuck a feed jar on each of them, checked my beeweaver hive, their lady was also gone for a mate but normal numbers and plenty of honey.  so I left them alone, and ordered 2 queens, a just in case for them and a replacement for the swarmy one when she came back.

Today, finally my beeweaver queens came, after the post office was 2 days late, fortunately we had mild weather.  I'd merged 2 of the 6 when they seemed too small - they still failed and were full of wax moth larva, no bees, might have been robbed by my other hives or simply gone home, their brood died on hatching due to no attendants.   

But the others, well one box, not the one I expected, had a queen laying, lots of uncapped brood, probably swarmy dna but I didn't see her so I didn't hunt her down.

The big hive's original deep was full of bees, no laying workers, so they got a queen.

I'll merge the last 2 tomorrow morning before the workers leave and get lost, I guess put the nuc on top of the 10 frame and tape a board over the rest of that box, newspaper combine with some vanilla syrup spray.  No laying workers in any, I'm thrilled with that.  Guess the timing was right.

I try to not have more than 2 hives, it's all the local forage will support, so I will be selling  a couple after they are fit to sell, or if the swarm queen lays too much she may have a hive tool test later and those bees added to a better hive.  boy it's a lot of work, but it was pretty fun.

Hard to get a day off around here.
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Re: Catchup in the apiary
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2023, 11:53:56 pm »
That I get. With my new job I don’t have the time I’d like to spend in the yard.  I’m glad you we’re able to find some time with yours.
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Re: Catchup in the apiary
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2023, 11:01:16 am »
Gypsi, good to hear from you!
It sounds like time will only allow you to have 2 hives.
Glad to hear you are addressing the varroa mites.  They are a death sentence to an untreated colony.

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Re: Catchup in the apiary
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2023, 01:49:49 pm »
I really don't have many varroa mites since I stopped doing removals and bringing home "dirty" bees.  I buy VSH queens from beeweaver, really helps.

I wonder if I can do a side by side combine with the new queen in the middle on the 2, basically 3 frame hives I need to combine, in a 10 frame box.   What would I use for a divider board ?  we have some rough weather coming, putting a nuc on top of a 10 frame could let everyone get wet

I did see what I think was a Phorid fly in a hive yesterday and I couldn't catch it to kill it.  I have had about 2 honeybees hanging around porch lights, separate days. If I find a dead honeybee near a light it goes in a jar for observation.
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Re: Catchup in the apiary
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2023, 02:36:43 pm »
I buy VSH queens from beeweaver, really helps.
Cool to hear the VSH bees are working for you.  I've been thinking about trying out some varroa resistant queens, but I haven't bitten the money bullet yet.  I'm seeing how well I can make my local mutts work first. 

Had a bunch of dead bees in front of the swarm hive about a month ago, took a day off to have a look and found they were starving young bees because the old queen stuffed 2 deeps and a medium full of brood then took off to mate, I don't think a swarm left - maybe the old queen failed to get off the ground and they all went home.

I divided the bees into 6 boxes - stuck a feed jar on each of them, checked my beeweaver hive, their lady was also gone for a mate but normal numbers and plenty of honey.  so I left them alone, and ordered 2 queens, a just in case for them and a replacement for the swarmy one when she came back.
Sorry, I just need to ask a clarifying question: Are you saying these hives had virgins that never came back from their mating flights? 
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Re: Catchup in the apiary
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2023, 03:43:40 pm »
I buy VSH queens from beeweaver, really helps.
Cool to hear the VSH bees are working for you.  I've been thinking about trying out some varroa resistant queens, but I haven't bitten the money bullet yet.  I'm seeing how well I can make my local mutts work first. 

Had a bunch of dead bees in front of the swarm hive about a month ago, took a day off to have a look and found they were starving young bees because the old queen stuffed 2 deeps and a medium full of brood then took off to mate, I don't think a swarm left - maybe the old queen failed to get off the ground and they all went home.

I divided the bees into 6 boxes - stuck a feed jar on each of them, checked my beeweaver hive, their lady was also gone for a mate but normal numbers and plenty of honey.  so I left them alone, and ordered 2 queens, a just in case for them and a replacement for the swarmy one when she came back.
Sorry, I just need to ask a clarifying question: Are you saying these hives had virgins that never came back from their mating flights?

I got tired of mites and swarmy bees, I love my VSH queens. I did removals for 6 years and getting a good queen fixed a number of hives. I haven't bought a nuc since 2012.
I thought the queens were gone on mating flights when I checked on the bees and split them up on April 9th. 

No uncapped brood in my Beeweaver hive on April 9th, which I removed a medium 10 frame of solid honey from to inspect the medium box below it, there was capped worker brood with one recently opened queen cell.  No drone brood or excessive drone count. I gave them their honey back and chalked it up to supersedure.
Yesterday the bees were a bit agitated but it was approaching dusk when I got to them, and there was uncapped brood in the middle box. I put them back together, they still had 10 frames of honey and are bringing in nectar and pollen.

 no uncapped brood in the giant swarm hive (that normally was big but boy it was huge this year.)    Not one egg, not one cell with uncapped larva. I thought I saw a queen while I was splitting the swarm hive up on April 9th, but she was a runner and it was a striped bee and most of my Beeweaver queens have been dark. But this was a swarm queen.  So I made up 2 nucs and 4 deeps of bees from this one 3 box hive., each with bottom board, feeder lid and a jar of syrup with box over it, til I ran out of boxes and one got a flower pot.  Box #3 had a queen yesterday clearly. I didn't see her, but there is worker brood, and uncapped larva that looks to be worker brood including some in the purple eye stage that are definitely workers.  I lost the nuc I had stacked a 2nd box on with 3 frames of bees from the split - wax moth larva, I dunked frames in a bucket, bees are cleaning the ones with honey. I think they joined another hive and abandoned their brood. so that accounts for 3 of the 6.  I put a queen in the original deep with about 10 frames of bees in it - yesterday - they've been bringing in nectar and pollen but no laying worker so far, I will release that queen today if they haven't freed her.
And boxes 5 and 6 are about to get merged with a frame between them, 1/4 inch hardware cloth stapled to the frame, and get a new queen.
If queens left to mate they got home, I am of the opinion that at least 1 probably did. there were 8 recently opened queen cells in the swarm hive on April 9th, I don't know if the queen in hive 3 is a mother or a daughter, but she's a queen.
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Re: Catchup in the apiary
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2023, 11:59:14 am »
Hi Gypsy and Baker, can we start a new thread on VHS queens. Such an interesting subject and I think I have two of those queens, would like to know more.

Gypsy said "I really don't have many varroa mites since I stopped doing removals and bringing home "dirty" bees.  I buy VSH queens from beeweaver, really helps."
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Re: Catchup in the apiary
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2023, 05:59:47 pm »
You are more than welcome to start it Jen!
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Re: Catchup in the apiary
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2023, 10:52:39 am »
You are more than welcome to start it Jen!

https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/index.php?topic=9296.msg106290#new
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I should have added this link previously.