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Trivia - Richard Taylor
« on: February 23, 2014, 07:05:05 am »
On the thread about beekeeping books, a post mentioned how his books are so easy to read, and that by the end of reading one of them you just seem to have "understood" what he was saying. I agree, they are not full of the language that can have some of us (OK, me) scratching our heads.
On that note, who can tell me what the "Taylor Principle" is?
Dr Taylor took the liberty  :) of calling it this, but it is a simple practice that many of us sometimes fail to do.
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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2014, 10:11:39 am »
Perry, this is an interesting post.  If anything, it seems Dr. Richard Taylor's life was anything but trivial.  I haven't read any books by him and I don't know what the Taylor Principal is.  I'll wait for someone else to answer that question.  You sparked my curiosity so I read a little about Dr. Taylor. 
Wikipedia labels Dr. Taylor as a philosopher.  In addition to being an internationally known beekeeper with 300+ hives, he was also a meta-physicist.  In the north east United States he was revered by beekeepers who would make a pilgrimage to speak with him. (I exaggerated slightly here)  Locally, he was known for his roadside honey stand that operated on the honor system.  He focused on producing comb honey.  He died in 2003 from lung cancer.
He has a facebook page, but hasn't added much to it lately. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Richard-Taylor/193871840650902

Well you have done it Perry!  I am interested and will definitely add Taylor to my reading list.  My hat is off to you!

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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2014, 10:40:52 am »
It describes a rapid comb honey production.Strong prime swarm or shook swarm installed in shallow box with queen excluder  over it, and additional 2 or 3 shallow honey supers on it. NO DRAWN FRAMES, FOUNDATION ONLY IN BROOD AND HONEY BOXES.
Bees will start building comb in all boxes at the same time, queen will be laying in brood box, and others will be filled with nectar.
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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2014, 10:56:04 am »
Dr. Taylor was a huge believer in shook swarms for comb honey production, but I believe towards the end even he found it to be added effort/work, something he worked against.
Close Marbees, but not quite the "Taylor Principle" as he called it.
A hint!  ;) The principle is something that advocates less work.
Keep trying folks.
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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2014, 11:10:12 am »
Less work........hhhhmmmmmm..........sounds like hire a young buckaroo to do all of the heavy work all in the name of teaching the trade.

Just kidding.

How about caught swarms for comb honey production?
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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2014, 11:27:47 am »
OK Perry  :)
I went to comb honey, first thing that comes to my mind when R. Taylor is mentioned.
Taylor principle would be - more honey you leave in the hive in the fall, there will be more honey in the hive in the spring, so you will have faster build up.... less work feeding colonies in the fall and spring.
Something I have been doing from year one, and something I started questioning. It is THE FACT that beekeepers in my area who harvest all the honey, then feed sugar syrup in the fall have MUCH better overwintering results than I have, and others who do the same.
I will stop here, no hijacking  :D
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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2014, 12:00:14 pm »
I read where he said that a beekeeper can accumulate, and pay for his equipment over time while depending upon an other source of livelihood. He thought it was a sideline,and a fulfilment for the golden years. You know, like all us old people on this forum. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Jack

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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2014, 12:04:36 pm »
the joys of beekeeping?

 the principle of sufficient reason?

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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2014, 12:22:07 pm »
I see you have that book to squirt. :D Jack

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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2014, 12:30:17 pm »
I read where he said that a beekeeper can accumulate, and pay for his equipment over time while depending upon an other source of livelihood. He thought it was a sideline,and a fulfilment for the golden years. You know, like all us old people on this forum. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Jack

Yes Jack, that's where I got the idea. ;D
So far everything goes as planned. ;)
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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2014, 03:45:29 pm »
Taylor principle would be - more honey you leave in the hive in the fall, there will be more honey in the hive in the spring, so you will have faster build up.... less work feeding colonies in the fall and spring.

We have a winner!!!!!!!  :goodone:

"The principle simply requires that you not harvest honey that you could harvest. Essentially, you leave it in the hive as an investment in your next year's crop".

Sorry, Chef Unknown says it takes more than just knowledge of trivia to get him to create one of his works of art, but feeling that you should get something for your efforts, he asked me to pass along a couple of honey glazed doughnuts that he had intended to give Iddee for his afternoon snack, just before his afternoon nap in the staff lounge.
Enjoy!  ;D


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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2014, 03:48:37 pm »
Mmmmmmmmmmm..............doughnuts

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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2014, 03:55:41 pm »
Go talk to Iddee. Just be sure to stand back when you shake him to wake him up, you know how he is if his nap is disturbed. Probably just before the 4:30 whistle is safe.  ;)
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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2014, 04:07:56 pm »
Cheap donuts  :'( I am not playing this trivia game anymore  :D :D
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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2014, 04:20:15 pm »
I'm glad you gave them away. They aren't Krispy-Kreme.
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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2014, 04:26:44 pm »
[quote author=iddee link=topic=952.ms :laugh:

Or Tim Hortons  :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2014, 04:59:10 pm »
jack~
"I see you have that book to squirt. :D Jack"

actually jack, that is one book(joys of beekeeping) this squirt doesn't have, so will have to read it now.........  ;)
or maybe you could lend me your beat up donut stained copy?!....... :D
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Re: Trivia - Richard Taylor
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2014, 11:48:47 am »
In theory Richard Taylor principals sounds like good advice and it lessen the incidents of colony starvation. BUT depending on the race of bees being kept and what you want out of your bees and when you need them to be built up will effect the management practices. Case in point, early spring crop pollination and no nectar or pollen available for the bees 3 to 4 weeks in advance of the pollination needs and you have hives with Russian Queens. Early spring feeding to stimulate colony build up may be needed and desirable. For most though, it is wise wisdom.
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