Author Topic: Abundance Of Brood (Read 10790 times)

Jen · « **on:** February 25, 2014, 02:42:50 pm »

If I have too much brood, and the queen has run out of room to lay, can I put a frame of brood in another beeks brood box? Will the worker bees except them? My friend that I have mentioned before in other threads, started his hive last year from a small swarm from my hive. It's still small but Amazingly they made it thru the winter.

barry42001 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2014, 02:54:13 pm »

yes still accept a brood and the nurse bees, no Colony scent yet

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Jen · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2014, 02:57:03 pm »

Mkay... why wouldn't there be a colony scent yet? the brood frame came from my hive and queen, and it will be going into another strange box with their colony and queen...

iddee · « **Reply #3 on:** February 25, 2014, 03:14:17 pm »

Jen, you can move a frame of brood and young bees to another hive. The fully adult bees will fly off and back home before you get to the other hive. If 4 unknown adults walked into your house you would have a fit. If 4 very young kids come walking into your house, you would smile and talk to them. The bees know the difference in young and old bees.

Jen · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2014, 03:32:34 pm »

Mkay, to clarify, so this applies to a frame of 'just capped brood'... no young or old bees will be going to the new hive with it...

the nurse bees will except it.. right?

iddee · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2014, 03:37:45 pm »

Quit complicating things. Pick up a frame of brood from your hive, take it to your neighbors hive, and set it in after removing an empty or honey frame from his hive. Put the brood frame in his hive's brood nest. Everything else is irrelevant. Bees, no bees, doesn't matter.

Jen · « **Reply #6 on:** February 25, 2014, 03:43:25 pm »

Thanks Iddee! kisshug patpatpat

barry42001 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 25, 2014, 03:51:56 pm »

I have transferred frames with mature brood, and capped brood with no issues. going back a day or so later there wasn't any dead bees outside the hive. had read where you could do that.

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Jen · « **Reply #8 on:** February 25, 2014, 04:07:30 pm »

Thanks Barry

G3farms · « **Reply #9 on:** February 25, 2014, 04:12:58 pm »

Just be sure your queen is not on that frame you transfer.

Jen · « **Reply #10 on:** February 25, 2014, 04:29:35 pm »

Hey G- Thanks! Bees are not going with the frame. It will be just capped brood only. I'll be careful

apisbees · « **Reply #11 on:** February 26, 2014, 01:09:30 pm »

Jen if you place the frame in the hive and the receiving hive does not have the population to cover the extra brood and keep it incubated the brood will become chilled and will die. If his hive had the population to support extra brood the queen would have laid the extra brood. Is his hive queen right, and is she laying some brood of her own?

Jen · « **Reply #12 on:** February 26, 2014, 02:51:50 pm »

Apis- ""If his hive had the population to support extra brood the queen would have laid the extra brood. Is his hive queen right, and is she laying some brood of her own?""

Good Info here, I never thought of that. This is where my problem lies with my good friend and his hive. He refuses to adapt to the new ways of beekeeping, so he won't let me in his hive to check it out. Expletive Expletive Expletive

Sooo, I think I shall not donate a frame of brood ~

Thanks!

apisbees · « **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2014, 04:24:14 pm »

Good decision Jen. an unmanaged hive becomes a liability in the neighborhood. with out human intervention it is doubtful they will survive more than a year with an attitude like his. Let min succeed or fail on his own But don't waste any more bees on him.

Jen · « **Reply #14 on:** February 26, 2014, 04:37:49 pm »

Thanks for that Apis ~

Woody Roberts · « **Reply #15 on:** February 26, 2014, 06:04:26 pm »

Jen
Sometime you'll want to move some brood to another hive. As has been said just pull it out, make sure the queens not on it and put it in. All bees will always accept free brood. Now if you have to move it very far say to another yard it has to be kept warm.
Take a small cooler that the frame will fit in, microwave a large burrito until its HOT, put both in the cooler and drive to where your going, install the frame and eat the burrito.

As a side note I've done several combines. I very rarely use newspaper I just set the queen less on top. Yes they fuss a little but there's usually not enough dead bees in the morning to cover the bottom of a coffee cup.

One time and one time only I added two frames of brood with the bees on it to two other frames from a mating nuc that the queen had started laying and they killed the queen. I've done this several times and it had never happened before or since. They raised a new queen which I still have.

My theory here is that the bees I added were stronger than the original bees. I don't normally put in two frames at once rather one a week.

Just rambling here. Woody

G3farms · « **Reply #16 on:** February 26, 2014, 06:10:09 pm »

I have combined frames from several hives and gave the a spray of syrup with vanilla mixed in with it to over power the different pheromones. Worked for me.

Jen · « **Reply #17 on:** February 26, 2014, 06:18:26 pm »

Woody- ""One time and one time only I added two frames of brood with the bees on it to two other frames from a mating nuc that the queen had started laying and they killed the queen. I've done this several times and it had never happened before or since. They raised a new queen which I still have.
My theory here is that the bees I added were stronger than the original bees. I don't normally put in two frames at once rather one a week.

Must have been the smell of those burritos...

No Really Just Joking

The warm burrito idea just struck me funny, I burst out laughing. But frankly it's a Darned Good Idea! and I would need a beer with that burrito!

Good advice rot thar!!

tecumseh · « **Reply #18 on:** February 26, 2014, 08:26:12 pm »

a snip...
Just rambling here. Woody

tecumseh...
well ramble on because you are adding some personal experience that may well be valuable to someone starting out and nothing speaks louder than your own personal experience.

Woody Roberts · « **Reply #19 on:** February 26, 2014, 10:50:56 pm »

Thanks Tec

One thing I have learned is when you think you know what your doing your about to get a new lesson!!

Any collage you go to you have to pay tuition. The school of hard knocks is no different!

There's a direct relationship between how much the lesson cost and how much you learn!