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Re: Riverbee's Journey
« Reply #200 on: January 09, 2015, 10:56:53 pm »
thank you gypsi, and j depp is, well except i didn't care for his movie edward scissorshands.......... :D

curtchann, thanks for you post. i do carry two epi pens.  FF/MFR............firefighter? medical first responder? or Microsoft Fingerpint Reader?.......... :D
aw heck, i just had to throw that one in LOL! i had to think about the MFR for a sec, terminology changes, used to be ERT or EMT (emergency response tech or emergency medical tech).  firefighter? jacks a former FF, (and many other things........ :D) and i used to chase after what started them........and who started them. was also certified as an emt.  why won't the ambulances be carrying them?  and why can't you administer them?  the sooner someone gets that dose of epinephrine in a life threatening situation, the better.......liability on the county?  so if you come across someone having an allergic reaction, who has no eppy, what can you do?  can you administer any steroid or antihistamine?  thanks for your reply in advance.

ray, me too!

lazy shooter...........
thank you. you have a way with words that always makes me laugh! ie " I would rather be whipped with a dead squirrel than to move one room of our house."
it has been 3 years, and a very long thread. i think if anyone just joins up, read post one, and read the current posts.  i do like to have fun lazy, humor is good for the soul.

"It's got to be fun to be "old big momma" on this forum, and to know every dang thing in the world about honey bees."

well lazy, i don't know every 'dang thing in the world about honey bees'..........iddee does............ :D
"old big momma"...........
and don't go giving jack any ideas about calling me anything different than a squirt........ :D

i am older, but aren't we all?  me and all the mods and admin team are angels..... O:-)
 maybe guardian angels? ;D
or the fellers are also all big momma's.......admin, iddee, riverrat, perry and george.............. :D

i know for sure i had a guardian angel looking over me three years ago....... :yes:

hey lazy, i read you are in louisiana? you take care ya' here! don't work to hard!

 




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Re: Riverbee's Journey
« Reply #201 on: January 10, 2015, 10:19:51 am »
I agree, Epi pens should be carried on all emergency vehicle, when i was on the fire dept. rescue squad (a EMT also) the only treatment we had to offer was CPR. :o Jack

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Re: Riverbee's Journey
« Reply #202 on: January 10, 2015, 03:19:18 pm »
I just ordered my epi's for this year, from the American Apithery Society. I got 4 regular ones, and two juniors for my grands when they come to play. I ordered 4 adult ones, 2 for me, one for my medicine apitherapist bag that travels with me to clients, and one for home for myself. Two extra just because.
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Re: Riverbee's Journey
« Reply #203 on: January 10, 2015, 03:43:28 pm »
Jen, you sound overprepared.  I hope you don't over-react and use them unless they REALLY needed.  The last thing we need is a trigger-happy bee-keeper.

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Re: Riverbee's Journey
« Reply #204 on: January 10, 2015, 04:39:25 pm »
riverbee, Yes I'm a firefighter(just promoted to Captain and a medical first responder. We still have EMT's (Emergency Medical Technician) Do to county by county medical protocols which are decided by the Doctors that serve on the board, they make they decisions on who can do what. In the county I live in, I can't administer an epi pen or put in an airway. If I'm in the next county over, I can respond to certain areas that the ambulance service that i am employed by and do both. Just depends on the county. Our ambulance service doesn't carry them out of cost. We throw out 90 percent do to expiration than we use. Most people that need them, have them and have already used them before we arrive.

I have only had 2 calls in the last 6 years for bee stings. One the parents were allergic and their child had a bee sting and they thought the child would be allergic. Not the case though. The other a woman was stung in her car and pulled over. She couldn't find her pen and her daughter told her where it was in her purse. She refused to take it, said she didn't like how it felt. We couldn't make her so we transported her to the hospital and monitored her airway. She had no medical effects from the sting other than some swelling.

My mom has 2 epi pens as she is allergic to all sorts of stuff. Perfume, soaps and detergents, and even the adhesive on band aids. Her last reaction my dad took her to the hospital and her airway was closing. She didn't want to have to wake us up to do what we do. After a  lecture from the doc and then one from me, she now knows the seriousness of allergic reactions.

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« Reply #205 on: January 10, 2015, 06:12:46 pm »
I’m allergic to honeybees. I wont carry an epi pen around with me because I feel I don’t need one. I'm in the bee venom program now. I get the shots every six weeks. I never had any problem with the shots. I still get stung but I try to keep the stings to my hands. My doctor told me any bee sting above the heart can be dangerous. I got stung 5 times in the head and face. The first time I swelled up like a monkey. The second time I got stung 3 times in the face. I ended up going to the hospital. I think a lot of people over react with these pens. If your not allergic to honey bees you wont have a reaction. If you are allergic to the bees and don’t now it. You are a bomb waiting to explode. If people are afraid of getting stung they should see an allergy doctor. A simple blood test will tell you if you are allergic. If you are allergic and never had problems with bee stings. I think it would be a good idea to carry the pen. If your not don’t worry about it. Get a blood test. All beekeepers should get one. At least you know ware you stand. 

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Re: Riverbee's Journey
« Reply #206 on: January 10, 2015, 10:34:34 pm »
curtchann, thanks for your reply.....
congratulations on your promotion to captain!  i have a question, what is the difference between MFR ~'medical first responder' and EMT 'emergency medical technician'?  like jack, i took the certification for EMT.....?  i think i do remember a first responder's course, but we were required to be certified as an EMT. ?  maybe things have changed now?

i have talked with some former colleagues, and have learned that some counties and emergency services stopped carrying the epi's on board because of the cost, and expiration, as you said.  i do understand that most folks who need them do have them, and have used them, but on a rare occasion, like me, i didn't have one, didn't know i was allergic. honey bee stings never bothered me or other stinging insects, then one day, 3 years ago that all changed, honey bee sting sent me into anaphylaxis. (read my first post if you haven't, gives a synopsis of what happened). i do not suffer from allergies to anything else. seems my immune system decided that  i am allergic to all stinging insects...... ;D  sheesh a beekeeper allergic to honey bees....that's just my luck or rather murphy's law, go figure..... :D

like ray, i have been going through the venom immunotherapy and now receive 3 injections every 6 weeks. the members here have been a great source of encouragement and support for me, (especially efmesch), through the past 3 years. thanks for sharing about your mom, i feel for her, and understand that ever present nagging feeling or question in the back of your mind about developing a systemic or anaphylactic reaction.

ray, i carry the epi pens, even with the therapy......one never knows, and i don't want to take the chance.  never heard the thing about stings above the heart?  any sting any where ~ allergic = systemic reaction or anaphylaxis.
the blood test can be a positive false positive type thing (doc's also consider your reaction/s that brought you to the blood test)......i went through the skin prick tests.  beekeepers will most likely always test positive for an allergy with the blood test, and even the initial skin prick tests, but the skin prick tests, as they progress, will give your allergist/immunologist a better diagnosis to the 'true level' of your allergic threshold.  not sure how to explain this?  i am sure i did somewhere in the past however many pages.......... :D
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Re: Riverbee's Journey
« Reply #207 on: January 11, 2015, 12:21:47 am »
Riverbee

my face is the worst area for me to get stung. I broke out with the hives with pus filled welts on my back, I itched from head to foot, my tongue swelled up a little and I could feel a little abnormal heart beat for a few seconds. When I get stung in my hands, I itch for a couple days. The same thru out the rest of my body.  After getting IV treatment at the hospital. The doctor said my next bee sting could be very serious. I followed up with an allergist right away.  I'm glad I did. My insurance pays for most of it. I recommend anybody who has problems with bee stings. Go see a doctor. Get checked out. You never now whats going to happen to you because we are dealing with nature here. By all means protect yourself. It only takes one bee sting and you could end up in the hospital. I tested normal for other insects.   

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Re: Riverbee's Journey
« Reply #208 on: January 11, 2015, 08:49:10 am »
riverbee,

Here in Michigan, MFR is the lowest level of training, an EMT is the next level that's about 160 hours of training. Our department requires all new firefighters to be MFR certified. I could have taken a 60 hour course right after my MFR course and become an EMT. EMT's can do a few more things that I can't. Start IV's and a few other things. Then there are EMT Specialist and then Paramedics. We have a mix on our fire department. We have 3 EMT's and 3 Paramedics. So we give a variety of care depending on who is available that day. We are a rural department that covers about 2 1/2 townships, over 80 square miles. So we are always cross training in a lot of areas. Farm rescue, water rescue, ice rescue(now that we finally have ice on the lakes).

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Re: Riverbee's Journey
« Reply #209 on: January 11, 2015, 06:55:35 pm »
thanks curtchann. i think anyone in a field as yours ought to have the basic training, and law enforcement officers as well. especially in rural areas where it may take some time for emergency crews to respond. sure is a plus to have the skills/knowledge for medical emergencies.

ray, i am ahead of you, i have been harping on everyone about bee stings and reactions for 3 years.................... :D
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Re: Riverbee's Journey
« Reply #210 on: January 14, 2015, 12:35:00 pm »
Glad to see all is well on your end riverbee! 
I look forward to the time I can come visit your apiary and share a cold beer in person.  :yes:
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« Reply #211 on: January 14, 2015, 07:45:20 pm »
well zweef, my apiary has one hive standing now............ :D

meeting you in person and the cold beer sure sounds good!  it should be the other way around, i'd look forward to coming to eau claire and helping you out, AND having a cold beer with some bee conversation!........

and ps. we will supply the beverages........ don't bring any coors or bud light or old milwaukee........... :D
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Re: Riverbee's Journey
« Reply #212 on: February 16, 2015, 06:55:41 pm »
i received my 6 week injections on friday the 13th......albeit 2 weeks late, put me at 8 weeks.
my appointment was scheduled for the 2nd of february.  had a gray moment i guess and totally missed it, i had neglected to put it on the calendar. oops. they give me the full dose anyway of all three injections. oh, did i say friday the 13th?...........
friday the 13th, i went to dinner with a popeye arm on one side, and a golf ball sized knot on the other, itching and trying  to ignore it.  for some reason, this injection and the last injections have brought some localized reactions. this one larger than the last. perhaps it's the venom mixture, or perhaps it was because i was at 8 weeks instead of 6. i will report it next time (6 weeks).

back in january, mr. rb sent me an email from his smart phone while in a meeting and asked me how many bees are in a standard hive with 2 deeps and four supers..............
my reply:
"depends....lots of variables and time of year, weather, available forage, and if the bees and queen are healthy.........is this bee trivia day, or are you getting questions from a politician or city administrator?" .......... :D

turns out, i didn't know he was in a meeting with a mayor, a city administrator, and a city planner at the time, so the DEPENDS answer didn't fly. but that's what attorneys say...... :D

so i gave him a scenario of winter, spring, summer, fall , averages, AND i gave them some 'queen math'.  i flunked math but politicians and city planners/administrators and attorneys  love facts, math and logic.  i think this is the only language they speak, and i am here to tell ya, it's true. oh, and also proper grammar when preparing a city ordinance. 

mr. rb is a city attorney for this particular suburban city who is allowing the keeping of bees, and he was fielding questions and getting ready to prepare a proposed ordinance for the city. how cool is that?  so my legal hat spent this past weekend finalizing and preparing that ordinance for the city. he had questions for me. a lot of questions. there are some model ordinances out there, some are very restrictive, some make no sense and some are very generalized. he is very anal retentive, and pays attention to detail.  public safety is a concern, as is costs to the city.

my first comment to him was:
"whatever you do, make sure you write an ordinance in the best interests of all to make everybody happy, the beekeeper, the neighbors, the mayor, the city administrator, the city planner and whoever has to enforce the ordinance. don't use generic language that opens a can of worms that you can't get the worms back in the can because the city won't be happy ."

reply on the 'can of worms'.....deer in the headlight look...........

my reply to the deer in the headlight look:
"okay, an analogy, don't let the bees swarm, cause you will be hard pressed to get them back in the box, you know that. management. manage the ordinance now before problems occur as we do with bees to keep them from swarming.  the city won't be happy when complaints start rolling in,  and won't be happy with the ordinance.  be specific and use beekeeping terminology. for example, from some models, ' must keep bees in a receptacle', bees aren't kept in a receptacle, it's a box/boxes of some configuration.  you will have someone thinking they can keep bees in a cooler, or something else.  define it, you will look smart, and the city will look smart and you won't be getting phone calls from the city complaining about how the original ordinance was written or them thinking they want to further restrict because of errant beekeepers"..............
point made.

seriously funny stuff, but was frustrating for me sometimes for the appropriate legal ease and appropriate grammar used in ordinances.....another:
"requeen is not a word."
 "yes it is."
"it's a noun then, i need a verb. replacing the queen."
"okay, requeening, that's a verb".
" that's not a word".
"yes it is. abc xyz says so and that's the terminology we use as beekeepers"
pull out the 'bible' and make him read requeen and requeening....
definition: replacement of the queen........ :D

i could go on and on, permit costs, setbacks from neighboring properties, providing a water source, definition of a nucleus, definition of a colony vs hive, and who's charged with inspections or fielding complaints...........much more.  i swear my brain was on overload by 6:00 pm last evening.

i feel honored to have input on this ordinance. i am anxious to see the end result of the proposed ordinance, and what the city adopts. when they do i shall post it here! 
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Re: Riverbee's Journey
« Reply #213 on: February 16, 2015, 07:19:18 pm »
And RB's final question..... Do you want to eat cold baloney and weiners or steak and lobster for the next 6 months?   :laugh:
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« Reply #214 on: February 16, 2015, 10:19:36 pm »
............LOL!!!! pretty much! how did you know? ........... :D
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« Reply #215 on: February 17, 2015, 12:46:41 am »
Was that our ordinance?   ;D

Seriously though, if you are looking for someones brain to pick, we literally just went through this... let me know via PM and I'd be happy to help you out.
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« Reply #216 on: February 17, 2015, 09:41:53 am »
thanks zweefer!

i don't think he had this one, but i will forward it on!
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« Reply #217 on: March 17, 2015, 09:00:49 pm »
last week we finally pulled out of an extended deep freeze, going from below zero temps to 50's 60's and 70's, and enjoyed the warm temps and so did my last standing hive.  she made it!  i watched my bees last week flying out, and the results of the fly outs from being couped up.......... :D

although this hive seemed to heft with good stores, i decided to take a quick peek this past saturday, temps were in the upper 60's, probably hit 70' or more.  i have promised not to check without someone present so did so on saturday.  my bees are strong, through all this harsh cold sub zero weather the past month and the long winter.  i was elated to see the frames of packed bees rolling over the tops of the frames.  they were in a loose cluster, and many were flying.  for insurance, i slid in another winter patty on top of the frames.  temps are not conducive to put anything else on, and won't be for awhile.  just to be in the bees, see them, hear them, it's really cool for me. this is my last standing hive since i developed the allergy, and there is something to be said about 'survivor bee's' and managing bees with little management or intervention. 

this colony was a divide from 3 years ago, relatively untouched, (the spring/ summer i developed my allergy), from russian nucs i purchased 5 or 6 yrs ago that built up into double deeps.  a mutt hive.  at the time i had 8-10 hives, and because of my allergy, i have not been able to properly manage any hives. i lost them one by one, but this one, amazes me. little or no management. i don't treat unless i find necessary and  i haven't treated these bees for varroa or nosema or anything else.  they are survivor bees.  last summer, harvested a decent honey crop from her, and she is still standing. 
all i do: entrance reducer at the largest opening, inner cover with a cut out of 2 1/2 ".  a shim in place to add feed to the tops of the frames; the bees really like this.  i wrap. 2" insulation above the inner cover.  that's it. on a wing and a prayer....... ;D

after we opened the bees we took a long walk along the river.  not that pretty this time of year,  usually with great snow fall we have different scenery from flooding, not this year.  anyway, always look for rising trout, agates and maybe some artifacts. i enjoy seeing all the differnet tracks of critters and birds/raptors in the sand on the banks.   when we arrived back from our walk, we sat in the driveway to enjoy the warmth of the sun, supplemented with some local brews from the rush river brewery....  8)
sure tasted good!

i had a bright yellow sweatshirt on.  A BIG YELLOW FLOWER..........lol! one of my bees found me, flew into my forehead, ZING!, she bounced off and kept flying into my sweatshirt. moved the chairs. kept moving the chairs around. one bee turned into 2 bees, 3 bees 4 bees etc, you all know the drill..... and moving the lawn chairs was not an option.....I CHANGED MY SHIRT....... :D
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Re: Riverbee's Journey
« Reply #218 on: March 17, 2015, 09:08:46 pm »
How exciting to hear your last colony still is a tickin'! 
Sounds like your bees were desperately foraging for anything!

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« Reply #219 on: March 17, 2015, 09:16:59 pm »
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