Author Topic: Dead out #1 (Read 6700 times)

tedh · « **on:** January 28, 2017, 12:35:16 pm »

Found 2 dead outs. Here's some pics of the first one.

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tedh · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2017, 12:49:34 pm »

Found this while checking hives for sugar cakes. The first pick shows poo on the top bars, there was some on the front of the box too, not a lot though. The second pic shows a cluster and the marked queen. Third pic: moldy frame of capped honey(?), all honey frames had this grayish color.forth pic: another cluster of dead bees. Fith pic shows the bottom board. In this pic you see a small river of moisture, we think it's honey from the initial frame removal.

We found small areas of dead bees on several frames with patches of bees head first in cells, some capped brood and plenty of full capped honey frames. It seemed moist/wet inside the hives. Thoughts? Ted

Jen · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2017, 01:56:04 pm »

Awe Shucks Ted! Me too...

lost one in early winter, and the second one about 1 month ago.

Mikey N.C. · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2017, 02:06:57 pm »

Ted, sorry for your loss . thanks for pics. Don't have any advice I'm a two time loser too. I very interested in the moldy honey frame, was it all capped or is that mold that looks like cappings. iddee told me that the mold in my deadouts was because there was not enough bees to regulate temp.

Jen · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2017, 02:24:05 pm »

Good question Mikey?

And, is that honey extractable?

tedh · « **Reply #5 on:** January 28, 2017, 03:03:52 pm »

I really don't see "fuzzy" mold on the frames but the cappings look kind of gray, I'm guessing it's mold. It's only on the capped honey frames. Not sure what happened, there seemed to be plenty of bees, plenty of stores, there was a small amount of brood so I think the queen was fine, until she wasn't. Everything in the hive seemed rather damp.

I won't extract the honey frames but use them for splits/nucs this spring, unless someone tells me not to.

The sad part is both deadouts were Wayne's Bees, the first two of them we started. They were our "show off" hives. We got some well deserved bragging rights from them! Thanks guys, Ted

CBT · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2017, 10:42:43 pm »

Was there any capped brood ? If so open them and look for any thing inside.

tedh · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2017, 07:55:01 am »

There was some capped brood, found dead larva in the cells we opened. Ted

Perry · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2017, 09:09:19 pm »

I would not call that mold on that frame of capped honey. It looks more like what they call "bloom", the same sort of stuff that rises to the surface of beeswax candles over time. At the market I either buff it off with a soft cloth or use a hair dryer beforehand to get rid of it.
The dysentery in the first pic was fairly bad.

tedh · « **Reply #9 on:** January 31, 2017, 09:25:11 pm »

We were going to collect some of the bees to send for testing but became engrossed in the autopsy discussion and forgot to. Will DEfINITELY do that on the next one. I hope.

The excrement was only in that area on the top bars and a bit on the front of the hive. I assumed it was were the last of the bees made their final stand. Thanks, Ted

Green bee · « **Reply #10 on:** January 31, 2017, 09:32:19 pm »

This my be post somewhere else on the forum, I just thought it fit this thread. http://www.wkow.com/story/34367302/2017/01/27/bacterium-discovered-at-uw-stout-could-be-linked-to-honeybee-mortality-rate

LazyBkpr · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2017, 06:31:22 pm »

I am going with nosema on that one. They were pooping on the top bars and on the sugar cake. It takes a bit to make a bee do that in its dining room. Usually you see it mostly by the upper entrance where they tried to make it out and didnt quite get there... Or just outside that entrance and all over the front of the hive... As opposed to just letting it go RIGHT where they are, That usually meant to me that they were in pretty serious trouble.

tedh · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2017, 08:23:10 pm »

Wish I would have sent some dead bees in to have them checked. I plan on the autopsy of number two deadout this weekend. I'll let you know what I find out. Thanks Everyone! Ted

How should we proceed with the equipment (boxes, frames, etc.) from the first deadout? Burn them? Man I hope not.

LazyBkpr · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2017, 09:51:17 pm »

Scrape them off and clean them up. Spray frames with bleach and water and put on a good strong hive when the flow starts. Thats what I do... right or wrong..

tedh · « **Reply #14 on:** February 04, 2017, 09:21:36 am »

What ratio, bleach to water should I use? Ted

CBT · « **Reply #15 on:** February 04, 2017, 09:12:39 pm »

I use 50/50 and let it air dry. Good stuff.

riverbee · « **Reply #16 on:** February 08, 2017, 11:56:56 pm »

"I am going with nosema on that one. They were pooping on the top bars and on the sugar cake. It takes a bit to make a bee do that in its dining room. Usually you see it mostly by the upper entrance where they tried to make it out and didnt quite get there... Or just outside that entrance and all over the front of the hive... As opposed to just letting it go RIGHT where they are, That usually meant to me that they were in pretty serious trouble."

what scott said ted, one of the nosemas........
this is evident from what scott said about the top bars and on the sugar cake, also, a smaller cluster. just a note, even though we find dead bees with heads in cells does not mean they died of starvation........bees crawl into cells in cluster.

as far as cleanup, like cbt and scott said, scrape the tops of the frames off and if need be use bleach.......a 50/50 bleach wipe down. frame faces: if the honey frames are capped, a quick wipe down. it they are not, ditch it.

Zweefer · « **Reply #17 on:** February 09, 2017, 10:34:47 pm »

Sorry to hear that Ted! I'm out one this year as well... still can't figure it out, as there was sugarboard on top, but they never made it to it. plenty of honey left as well... will autopsy come warmer weather and i can stand hanging out in the yard without freezing my fingers off...

LazyBkpr · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2017, 11:41:19 am »

Ouch, 50/50 would be some tuff bleaching.. I put half a cup in a 5 gal bucket (with about 4 gal in it) of warm water. it is still strong enough to make my nose burn. Of course if you can handle it the 50/50 would certainly kill the spores!

tedh · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2017, 07:07:53 pm »

I did go with a much weaker solution and let them air dry. A 50/50 solution concerned me. Not a "I'm right your wrong!" kind of thing, Im just being overly cautious. Thanks Everyone! Ted