Author Topic: Hot Hive! (Read 26607 times)

Jen · « **Reply #80 on:** March 23, 2015, 12:14:44 pm »

Okay. I see the timing there now. I'll wait until Wednesday to check for new eggs, the weather will be nice. I sure don't look forward to breaking down that hive again, but I did fine with doubled up clothes and a lot of duct tape

pistolpete · « **Reply #81 on:** March 24, 2015, 02:57:52 am »

You might want to wash your gloves and bee suit. It will make a difference (for a few minutes anyway)

Jen · « **Reply #82 on:** March 24, 2015, 12:01:31 pm »

That's a good idea Pete, I'll do that today, supposed to be in the 60's tomorrow

Jen · « **Reply #83 on:** April 01, 2015, 01:29:24 am »

Iddee ""Jen, if she is a virgin queen, the old queen may be still in there. Check it again between 4 and 10 days after the split, and if you have eggs, you didn't get her.

Okay. Then, what should I do with the slim queen in the nuc? Wednesday is going to be nice enough to get into the nuc, I can take some pics, cause frankly, I don't know if I would know the difference between an unmated queen or a slimmed down queen... would that help?

And by the way I left eggs in both the hive and nuc.

UPDATED REPLY ~ Iddee, the nuc that I pulled from my Hot Hive, the queen, from the hot hive is fine and the nuc is filled with eggs. I added more frames of bees and comb, it's a hive now.

You said to check back in 4-10 days for eggs in the Hot Hive, I missed that window, life got in the way with hubs and a surgery. If in fact the queen in the nuc was the queen in the hot hive, I think I may look into a hive full of drone brood... I have Friday to get into the Hot Hive, what should I look for? I want to try and not get into this hive again. Thanks

pistolpete · « **Reply #84 on:** April 01, 2015, 02:43:11 am »

If you did in fact pull the old queen from that hive, (which I think is the most likely scenario) then you have 15 or 16 days from that date till a new queen emerges. It will be another week to two weeks before she starts laying. What you should be looking for is empty queen cells. The bees themselves should tell you if they're queen right. If they are bringing in lots of pollen and acting normal, then there is a queen. If they're agitated and milling around, they're likely queenless. Don't worry, it takes more than a couple of weeks without a queen to turn them into drone layers.

iddee · « **Reply #85 on:** April 01, 2015, 06:57:35 am »

Pete, 12 to 13 days til she emerges. They start with a larva, not an egg.

Jen, From Mar. 20, to Apr. 2 is 13 days. You may find capped queen cells if you look early enough. She should emerge today.
Otherwise, you will just have to hope you have eggs within 3 weeks.If no eggs in 2 weeks, I would add a frame of eggs and larva.

pistolpete · « **Reply #86 on:** April 01, 2015, 10:54:01 am »

I kind of figured 24 hours till they decide to make new queens, then starting with day 4 (one day old larva) and emergence at day 18. It's been a while since I looked at queen rearing calendars. I guess I need a review.

iddee · « **Reply #87 on:** April 01, 2015, 04:42:11 pm »

They emerge on day 16, not 18. It can vary 1 day, but never heard of a 2 day variance.

Jen · « **Reply #88 on:** April 03, 2015, 03:31:18 pm »

Sorry Iddee and Pete

Been busy with hubby/doc needs. This isn't clear to me yet. I have this afternoon to get into hot hive. It would help if you can give me an idea of what I might find.

The nuc was pulled on the 20th. Today is April 3rd. That makes 15 days since I pulled the nuc.

1. Pete you say, empty queen cells?

2. But Iddee says that the new queen should emerge on the 16th day. Maybe I ought to wait another couple of days?

The bees are still after us. Can't enjoy the backyard without a ball cap and veil. The neighbor dog now sports the next sting from our front yard.

iddee · « **Reply #89 on:** April 03, 2015, 09:52:20 pm »

Too late to find capped queen cell, too early to see eggs. Leave them alone for another 10 days.

Jen · « **Reply #90 on:** April 03, 2015, 10:23:44 pm »

Iddee "Too late to find capped queen cell, too early to see eggs"

I understand that there won't be any eggs yet. When queen emerges she will need a girls gone wild week. Then she will start laying.

"Too late to find capped queen cell" is that because the queen will have hatched on the 16th day, which is tomorrow?

Sorry Iddee, gotta spell it out for me

iddee · « **Reply #91 on:** April 03, 2015, 10:29:04 pm »

They started cells with larva, not eggs. You pulled the nuc on the third or fourth day. Add 15 and you are now on day 18 or 19.

Jen · « **Reply #92 on:** April 03, 2015, 11:01:13 pm »

Oooooh... Okay! That's what you and Pete were discussing and doing all that math stuff, and I had to leave for a bit.

Okay, not the four days of the egg, but first day it is larvae which is the 5th.

Got it marked on my calendar for the April 13th, check for queen and eggs

Jen · « **Reply #93 on:** April 07, 2015, 06:42:40 pm »

Answering Scott's question from another thread.

Six new mediums, Veiled Hubby and Bees

Scott - "Why not give this hive a frame of eggs and let them raise a queen? I see no reason NOT to let them raise a new queen, provided you make them do it with eggs from a queen YOU like, and not their original queen.
Axe old queen... wait 4 to 5 days, go through each frame carefully and remove ALL Q Cells. Then swap out one of their frames with a frame of eggs from a good hive..
I am assuming you have drones there? Were only a few days away from emerging drones here, so you should have them there.

Jen - I pulled a nuc on the 20th. Didn't settle them down. I haven't been in there yet to see if the new queen is hatched, weather has been cold. I'll be checking back into hot hive around the 13th to see new queen and attitude in the hive, weather permitting.

I'm going on the suggestion that 'divide and concur' will calm a hot hive down. That the daughter of the queen will calm them down.

If that doesn't work... then the swarm I caught the other day has my sweet green painted queen and she is laying, so I can requeen with one of her frames.

Sure is a lengthy process when I can't purchase a queen or two until the end of May.

Jen · « **Reply #94 on:** April 12, 2015, 07:35:53 pm »

Discussing my two new colonies, wondering about hot bees mixed with nice bees.

HOT NUC ~ Exactly 4 weeks ago I pulled a nuc from Hot Hive in hopes of calming them down. We're still getting stung.

This nuc has three frames of brood, not much else, more pollen than nectar, and three untouched bare foundations

See the bees honoring her, that's the first time I've seen that in my hives. But she is from hot genetics, and I'm sure we are getting stung from this nuc as well as Hot Hive. She has room to lay, but bees aren't pulling wax very quickly.

SWARM HIVE NICE BEES

My first swarm came surprisingly from a hive I thought I was watching carefully. This swarm hive has 7 bountiful frames of brood, just gorgeous, pollen and not very much nectar. She is being honored as well in this pic.

Is it a good idea to combine hot bees with nice bees? kill hot nuc queen? newspaper style?

riverbee · « **Reply #95 on:** April 12, 2015, 09:06:25 pm »

what i am reading from both of these is lack of nectar/feed..........are you feeding them jen?

"This nuc has three frames of brood, not much else, more pollen than nectar, and three untouched bare foundations

This swarm hive has 7 bountiful frames of brood, just gorgeous, pollen and not very much nectar. "

Jen · « **Reply #96 on:** April 12, 2015, 10:02:03 pm »

I've just started feeding the nuc last week. We've had a 7 day cold snap, and there isn't a flo right now. But before the cold snap the hives had plenty of nectar, they must have been eating it.

Jen · « **Reply #97 on:** April 12, 2015, 11:43:26 pm »

Update:

I got into Hot Hive early this evening, nice 70 degrees. I did this to determine what this hive looks like after the swarm 4 days ago, I have to make a decision about everyone getting stung.

It Was Pandomonium! The hive is void of Everything... except really mad bees, three queen cells center of frames, and the top super has quite a bit of capped honey. I'll take the honey thank you very much! Sulfer Time

I'm fed up! This hive and her nuc are taking the banana boat Outa Here!

Day O ~ Daaayo, daylight come and the bees are goin' hoooome ~

Fed Up Beekeeper!

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Jen · « **Reply #98 on:** April 13, 2015, 12:18:24 am »

Iddee_ "If you want to kill them, light your smoker as normal and add a tablespoon of powdered sulfur to it. Smoke them well. It will kill every bee in the hive, but you can put new bees in it the next day. Hornet spray or other insect spray and you destroy the hive.

Should I take the honey super off before the sulfur sauna?

Now, the next time I use my smoker, will there be sulfer residue that will go into another hive?

iddee · « **Reply #99 on:** April 13, 2015, 09:04:01 am »

The honey super should be allowed to air a few days afterward before using, but it will be safe after airing.
I would clean the smoker well and leave outside with top open for 24 hours.