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Offline Ray4852

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Re: It's not global warming!
« Reply #60 on: December 03, 2014, 09:00:28 pm »
Riverbee

 It was good politics. Why should we use our oil when we can go over to the middle east and use there oil. Those Arabs  aren’t stupid. They know what were doing. They turned on us and tried to suck us dry financially. We turned around and stuck it to them because we saved our resources at home. Good politics on our part. We don’t need their oil now. We have our own. We got Mexico and Canada to get our oil from too. Save our oil at home. These environmental people in our country are killing us. When was the last time we build a new refinery 35 yrs ago. I'm for clean environment but we have to use common sense too. If we don’t build this Canadian pipeline china will get the oil. Those people are stockpiling it now while we continue to fight at home over the pipeline. We have another problem coming up soon. The Russians claim they own part of the artic Canada owns. They want that oil too. Its sounds to me we are fighting a war over oil now. Right now we have to play the game with them. I figure in about 30 years we wont need oil to run our country. We have the technology to move away from it now but its all about politics. 30 years our cars wont need gas and oil. We will have hydrogen fuel cell cars and better power plants to produce electricity. I'm sick of this bickering. The generations before us left us a beautiful country. We should do the same for our children. 

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Re: It's not global warming!
« Reply #61 on: December 03, 2014, 09:18:58 pm »
""If I was president, I'd  get a law passed to require all plastic and foam products be made from the corn plant (existing technology and biodegradable)"".

Ten dollars an ear for corn, but the farmer still poor paying for that million dollar all steel tractor. Sounds like a plan.
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« Reply #62 on: December 03, 2014, 10:07:52 pm »
Us environmentalists are those children that inherited your oil spills and smoky skies Ray. Us awful environmentalists ruining this nation are the inheritors of your mess.

The EPA was invented just barely in time that we didn't all get 100% lead poisoned from the lead in your gasoline. When you clean the tar sands out of the Kalamazoo river and get the rest of the tar balls from the BP spill out of the sand, when you get the mercury out of the water and the concrete ash out of the air and the radiation out of the pacific, I'll be more than happy to talk about the economic need for oil and tar sands. And the tar sands oil are going straight from Canada to Texas for processing to enrich the Kochs and on tankers to China. IF the pipeline is built or it isn't.

When Lee was in the navy I was in Junior High School.  I have grown up watching the world get dirtier and dirtier and the corporations get richer and richer and frankly my dear I don't give a d*mn how much sand you bury your head in, facts are facts and things are changing and you can lie to yourself all day long but why don't you go buy yourself some beach front property.  Might be a lot of people wanting to sell at bargain prices soon, and you know if it isn't climate change you could make a really fat profit.

I would head for the hills but in the wealthy state of Texas I haven't got the money to leave unless a developer sets eyes on my neighborhood and offers a great price for the whole thing.

When they do (and one will sooner or later) I will head for high ground and rainfall. Because Personally I can't drink money. Glad you can.

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Re: It's not global warming!
« Reply #63 on: December 03, 2014, 10:17:03 pm »
""If I was president, I'd  get a law passed to require all plastic and foam products be made from the corn plant (existing technology and biodegradable)"".

Ten dollars an ear for corn, but the farmer still poor paying for that million dollar all steel tractor. Sounds like a plan.
The farmer buys retail and then sells wholesale.  No choice.  Too many live as paupers and die millionaires.  :)
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Re: It's not global warming!
« Reply #64 on: December 03, 2014, 10:18:43 pm »
I ate fish from the river the whole time I was growing up, pulled from between the toilet paper floating down the river. No more sewage in the river. I guess we dirtied it up to where the s**t couldn't stand it, so it left.

I played with what we called quick silver, rubbing dimes with it between my fingers to make them shine. Maybe I died from mercury poisoning and just didn't know it.

We had farm ponds to fish in and irrigate with. The EPA won't let us dig them now. "disturbs the wetlands", so our crops die and we have to burn gas to go fishing.

I could go on, but I doubt I would change your mind.
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« Reply #65 on: December 03, 2014, 10:24:00 pm »
I played with mercury in science class too.  Fish were safe to eat. We can still dig stock tanks in Texas but the rain doesn't fall so they are dry.

The EPA made them not dump the sewage in the river. That awful epa.  But seriously the Kalamazoo River in Marshall Michigan is full of Tarsands oil from an Enbridge pipeline leak.

There is oil in Caddo lake.  There are downsides to the EPA. But do you remember what the skies looked like before it? Do you remember DDT?  I am probably the only person in 50 miles that supports EPA regs. But I am the youngest one not on an oil or fracking payroll in some fashion or another too. No Iddee you cannot change my mind.

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Re: It's not global warming!
« Reply #66 on: December 03, 2014, 10:25:16 pm »
Yes, I met one of those children the other day. It went sorta like this...........


Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the older woman, that she should bring her own grocery bags because plastic bags weren't good for the environment.
The woman apologized and explained, "We didn't have this green thing back in my earlier days.
The young clerk responded, "That's our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generations."
She was right -- our generation didn't have the green thing in its day.
Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were truly recycled. But we didn't have the green thing back in our day.
Grocery stores bagged our groceries in brown paper bags, that we reused for numerous things, most memorable besides household garbage bags, was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our schoolbooks.
This was to ensure that public property, (the books provided for our use by the school) was not defaced by our scribbling's. Then we were able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags. But too bad we didn't do the green thing back then.
We walked up stairs, because we didn't have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks. But she was
right. We didn't have the green thing in our day.
Back then, we washed the baby's diapers because we didn't have the throwaway kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machine burning up 220 volts -- wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing. But that young lady is right; we didn't have the
green thing back in our day.
Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house -- not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana.
In the kitchen, we blended and stirred by hand because we didn't have electric machines to do everything for us.
When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap.
Back then, we didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that
operate on electricity. But she's right; we didn't have the green thing back then.
We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of
buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull. But we didn't have the green thing back then.
Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service. We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn't need a
computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest burger joint.
But isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn't have the green thing back then?
“Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me... Anything can happen, child. Anything can be.”
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Re: It's not global warming!
« Reply #67 on: December 03, 2014, 10:27:23 pm »
I know.  I would LOVE to see a 10 Cent deposit on every bottle or beverage can sold in Texas.  I would also like to see methane recapture on every frack well.  Wish in one hand do something else with the other and see what I get.

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Re: It's not global warming!
« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2014, 10:29:20 pm »
Your bottle problem floating out in the middle of the ocean could be solved real easy. We don’t have plastic bottles floating in our lakes. we pay  5 cent tax for every plastic bottle we buy. We have a choice throw it away or save it and return it when we get enough of them for a refund back on our tax. It produced jobs and our environment is clean. I see retied men making 200 dollars every weekend during the summer going to state parks picking up bottles and going thru the trash cans looking for plastic containers. It gives the people a little incentive to keep their land clean. If you can find 100 bottles you make 5 dollars. 

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Re: It's not global warming!
« Reply #69 on: December 03, 2014, 10:30:46 pm »
The water is cleaner in our rivers than it was decades back.  The air is cleaner.  Do any of you remember acid rain?  I do.  It was prevalent in the New England states in the 60's.  Oh, and that pile of plastic bottles in the ocean in not from the US, but from all of the countries that ship across the sea.  Could we do more?  Yes.  Will we do more.  Yes, there is another set of USEPA rules coming in the next few weeks.


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« Reply #70 on: December 03, 2014, 10:31:32 pm »
I don't disagree with much you say, but when the children of today are doing all the damage, please don't blame it on us old timers. We did things differently.
“Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me... Anything can happen, child. Anything can be.”
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« Reply #71 on: December 03, 2014, 10:34:02 pm »
I don't disagree with much you say, but when the children of today are doing all the damage, please don't blame it on us old timers. We did things differently.

We sure did it different.  In the 40's an

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« Reply #72 on: December 03, 2014, 10:59:29 pm »
don't get me going on the amount of forest leveled in the continental US Iddee, or what the Redwoods of California would look like if not for Teddy Roosevelt.

Texas has had its head up its a** on anything that might interfere with a business's ability to make a profit forever.  Which is why the vet clinic that told an owner they eu'd their dog and put the dog in a cage and milked him for blood for 4 years is still open, and owned by the guy with the suspended vet license. 

If the bottling company whines that a 5 cent or 10 cent deposit will put them out of business, Austin will cave. I should take pictures of Fort Worth roadsides. I can't pick up all the mess. Aluminum gets collected because of recycling value. The busted glass in my neighborhood I try to sweep up. I don't know who does the rest of the state.

We can't know where hazardous chemicals are, or have inspections run on any plants that might blow up, might interfere with profit and tax revenue.. This isn't old timers, this is current Austin politicians of both parties.

This is a part of why I hate Texas. I have become an anti-consumer - I don't buy anything taxable unless I desperately need it. Hate to support a crooked system


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« Reply #73 on: December 03, 2014, 11:02:13 pm »
Congrats, gypsi. That is the 40,000 post on the forum. 300 members and 40,000 posts in the first year. That is awesome. Thank You to each and every one.
“Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me... Anything can happen, child. Anything can be.”
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Re: It's not global warming!
« Reply #74 on: December 03, 2014, 11:04:11 pm »
Iddee, if my dad was alive he would disagree with recycled milk bottles, i remember him drinking milk and soaking either bread or crackers in it before going to bed. Two different times he poured milk into a glass only to have a drowned mouse plop into his glass after he had drank half of the bottle :o. Both times he was up all night upchucking  :sad:. I still won't drink store bought milk. ;D Jack
PS. the milk bottle was glass with a cardboard stopper that was worth one mill. (doubt many of you know what that was ;D)

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« Reply #75 on: December 03, 2014, 11:06:40 pm »
Ewww on the mouse.  I don't drink milk anyway.  If I could keep a milk goat alive I might.   so I am lucky number 40,000?  What did I win Iddee?

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« Reply #76 on: December 03, 2014, 11:10:01 pm »
I think the prize was PERRY, you lucky devil. :D :D Jack

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« Reply #77 on: December 03, 2014, 11:16:35 pm »
oh no!

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« Reply #78 on: December 03, 2014, 11:36:49 pm »
It hurts my feeling when people vehemently say they hate Texas over and over and over.  Is this offending to anyone else?

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« Reply #79 on: December 03, 2014, 11:39:12 pm »
I'm sorry Lazy Shooter. I should love Texas.  I think before my daughter died in 1984 I still did. My children live here. My business is here.  Perhaps I should say I hate Austin?  I like the music in Austin but I detest the Texas state government policies and I would be lying if I said otherwise.  Maybe I should just say I hate political hypocrites in 10 gallon hats and cowboy boots who pass laws for donations?